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Tracing the ancestry of Pamela Murdoch Bryans and Maurice Alan Johnson

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3rd Earl of Shrewsbury Robert de Belesme[1]

Male Abt 1055 - Abt 1113  (~ 58 years)

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  • Name Robert de Belesme 
    Relationshipwith Marion Murdoch Johnson
    Gender Male 
    Birth Abt 1055  [1] 
    Name Robert de Montgomery de Bellême 
    WWW https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_of_Bell%C3%AAme,_3rd_Earl_of_Shrewsbury 
    Death Abt 1113  [1] 
    Last Modified 29 Aug 2021 

    Father Earl of Shrewsbury Roger de Montgomery
              b. Abt 1030  
              d. 27 Jul 1094 (Age ~ 64 years) 
    Mother Mabel de Belesme 
    Marriage Bef 1050  [1] 

    Wife Agnes de Ponthieu 
    Children 
     1. Count of Ponthieu William Talvas
              b. Abt 1093  
              d. 1172 (Age ~ 79 years)
    Last Modified 29 Aug 2021 

  • Notes 
    • From TCP1:
      Robert (De Montgomery, otherwise De Belesme), EARL OF SHROPSHIRE, or SHREWSBURY, and EARL OF ARUNDEL, or SUSSEX, SEIGNEUR DE BELESME, D'ALENCON, &c, in Normandy, b. about 1055; Knighted 1073 ; suc. his parents in their Norman possessions and was generally known by his mother's name of De Belesme. He appears, for a sum of £3,000, to have been confirmed in his brother's Earldoms by William II. in 1098. He, however, fortified his castles in England against Henry I. by whom accordingly he was expelled and deprived of all his honours and estates in 1102.

      He m. before 9 Sep. 1087, Agnes, da. and h. of Guy, COUNT OF PONTHIEU, and Ada, his wife, and became, in her right, on the death of her said father in 1101, COUNT OF PONTHIEU. He is sometimes said to have m. secondly a da. of Robert FITZHAMON. He fought at the battle of Tinchebray in 1106 on behalf of Robert of Normandy, escaping therefrom but was taken prisoner 4 Nov. 1112, by Henry I. at Bonneville-sur-Tougues, aud was confined at Cherbourg and the next year (1113) at Wareham, co. Norfolk, where, probably, he d. soon afterwards, but (says Henry of Huntingdon in his letter to Walter), "no one knew after he was in prison, whether he was alive or dead, and report was silent as to the day of his death."


      A footnote to the above entry adds some colourful detail:
      "The character ot this extraordinary man, whose great talents distinguished him from most of the turbulent nobles of the age, seems to have inspired all contemporary historians with horror. Henry of Huntingdon says 'he was a very Pluto, Megæra, Cerberus, or anything you can conceive still more horrible," and give details of his cruelties surpassing those narrated by Ordericus Vitalis.' Brooke (uncontradicted by Vincent) says "He was a man very outrageously given and most cruel to his own children aud hostages, whose eyes (with his own hands) be plucked out."


      Succeeded his brother, Hugh (the 2nd Earl) in 1098.

      Footnotes
      [1] The Complete Peerage, GE Cokayne, 1st Edition, Volume 7 (S-T), London (1896); Shrewsbury, pages 133-148

  • Sources 
    1. [S0529] GE Cokayne, Complete Peerage, 1st Edition, (London (1887-1898)), Shrewsbury; Vol. 7, pages 133-148.